Comments on: Coffee Talk: Have Games Achieved Significant Literary Quality? http://geekadelphia.com/2009/10/12/coffee-talk-have-games-achieved-significant-literary-quality/ A Guide To Everything Geek In The City Of Brotherly Love Fri, 25 May 2012 02:50:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Coffee Talk: Is This Really Necessary? « Joe Osborne: Freelance Gaming & Tech Journalist http://geekadelphia.com/2009/10/12/coffee-talk-have-games-achieved-significant-literary-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-9494 Coffee Talk: Is This Really Necessary? « Joe Osborne: Freelance Gaming & Tech Journalist Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:47:13 +0000 http://geekadelphia.com/?p=9304#comment-9494 [...] I know we’ve touched base on something similar to this before, but this is just too good to pass up. Joystiq recently found a [...] [...] I know we’ve touched base on something similar to this before, but this is just too good to pass up. Joystiq recently found a [...]

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]]> By: Coffee Talk: Is This Really Necessary? « Geekadelphia http://geekadelphia.com/2009/10/12/coffee-talk-have-games-achieved-significant-literary-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-7976 Coffee Talk: Is This Really Necessary? « Geekadelphia Tue, 13 Apr 2010 11:30:20 +0000 http://geekadelphia.com/?p=9304#comment-7976 [...] I know we’ve touched base on something similar to this before, but this is just too good to pass up. Joystiq recently found a [...] [...] I know we’ve touched base on something similar to this before, but this is just too good to pass up. Joystiq recently found a [...]

]]> By: Coffee Talk: When Keeping it Real Goes Wrong « Geekadelphia http://geekadelphia.com/2009/10/12/coffee-talk-have-games-achieved-significant-literary-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-7809 Coffee Talk: When Keeping it Real Goes Wrong « Geekadelphia Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:02:12 +0000 http://geekadelphia.com/?p=9304#comment-7809 [...] is regardless of how much of an advocate you might remember I am for them being [...] [...] is regardless of how much of an advocate you might remember I am for them being [...]

]]> By: Prince_Porter http://geekadelphia.com/2009/10/12/coffee-talk-have-games-achieved-significant-literary-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-5927 Prince_Porter Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:34:59 +0000 http://geekadelphia.com/?p=9304#comment-5927 This is definitely something I'm going to have to pick up. I played Metroid Prime 1 and loved it, pre-ordered the second game, then ended up only playing it for an hour, I have no idea why. I've always loved the series, so I definitely owe these games a play. Especially with a new Metroid in the works, I don't want to fall behind. I'll definitely have to check out that video now, I'm intrigued. This is definitely something I’m going to have to pick up. I played Metroid Prime 1 and loved it, pre-ordered the second game, then ended up only playing it for an hour, I have no idea why. I’ve always loved the series, so I definitely owe these games a play. Especially with a new Metroid in the works, I don’t want to fall behind. I’ll definitely have to check out that video now, I’m intrigued.

]]> By: chris http://geekadelphia.com/2009/10/12/coffee-talk-have-games-achieved-significant-literary-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-5829 chris Mon, 12 Oct 2009 20:32:08 +0000 http://geekadelphia.com/?p=9304#comment-5829 Chris Roper's IGN review hit the nail on the head when he called Shadow of the Colossus a work of art. Its easily in my top 10. Chris Roper’s IGN review hit the nail on the head when he called Shadow of the Colossus a work of art. Its easily in my top 10.

]]> By: Joe Osborne http://geekadelphia.com/2009/10/12/coffee-talk-have-games-achieved-significant-literary-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-5827 Joe Osborne Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:37:54 +0000 http://geekadelphia.com/?p=9304#comment-5827 @ chris: I totally agree with the atmospheric qualities of the Metroid Prime series and the quality of its interactive narrative. I think Heavy Rain has the potential to again revolutionize narrative in video games. Let's just hope it lives up to its promises. @Dx: While I totally agree that Resident Evil has done much for the progress of narrative in video games, I don't feel that it's purely because of its realism. A video game can be deeply entrenched in fantasy or science fiction and still present an engaging storytelling experience. Call me a fanboy, but look at Shadow of the Colossus and you'll see what I'm referring to. Excellent points guys (man, I love this gig)! @ chris: I totally agree with the atmospheric qualities of the Metroid Prime series and the quality of its interactive narrative. I think Heavy Rain has the potential to again revolutionize narrative in video games. Let’s just hope it lives up to its promises.

@Dx: While I totally agree that Resident Evil has done much for the progress of narrative in video games, I don’t feel that it’s purely because of its realism. A video game can be deeply entrenched in fantasy or science fiction and still present an engaging storytelling experience. Call me a fanboy, but look at Shadow of the Colossus and you’ll see what I’m referring to.

Excellent points guys (man, I love this gig)!

]]> By: Dx http://geekadelphia.com/2009/10/12/coffee-talk-have-games-achieved-significant-literary-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-5826 Dx Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:20:26 +0000 http://geekadelphia.com/?p=9304#comment-5826 I personally believe the Resident Evil series did a lot more for narrative game experiences than Metroid. Metroid was always just far enough out there that it was like playing through a cartoon, whereas the Resident Evil series went out of it's way to suck you into it's world in a realistic way, out of necessity, so that it could effectively scare the shit out of you. Metoid felt like a game, Resident Evil (especially once they got the control issues worked out, interestingly enough, on the Gamecube version of 4) felt like being in a movie. Maybe that's just me though? I personally believe the Resident Evil series did a lot more for narrative game experiences than Metroid. Metroid was always just far enough out there that it was like playing through a cartoon, whereas the Resident Evil series went out of it’s way to suck you into it’s world in a realistic way, out of necessity, so that it could effectively scare the shit out of you. Metoid felt like a game, Resident Evil (especially once they got the control issues worked out, interestingly enough, on the Gamecube version of 4) felt like being in a movie. Maybe that’s just me though?

]]> By: chris http://geekadelphia.com/2009/10/12/coffee-talk-have-games-achieved-significant-literary-quality/comment-page-1/#comment-5825 chris Mon, 12 Oct 2009 14:37:03 +0000 http://geekadelphia.com/?p=9304#comment-5825 Excellent post - really engaging topic for discussion. The first Metroid Prime (the only one of the series I played) was very effective in making the player feel isolated and vulnerable. It had a very haunting quality. Up until now (and one could definitely argue last generation of consoles) the technology would not allow for video games to be capable of portraying an engaging story on the same level of say a miniseries or feature film. We are now at a point where I believe that is fully possible. Mass Effect was an unbelievably good story that happened to have excellent gameplay. Eternal Darkness on the gamecube is another great example. Heavy Rain I think (and hope) will be a title that will break the mold of what can and will be expected of video games. The recent Uncharted 2 commercial where the guy talks about how his girlfriend thinks its a 10 hour move is another great example of how the perception of video games are changing. I think the biggest roadblock in acheiving widespread acceptance is the perception that video games are for kids. A lot of people still believe video games to consist of mario jumping over mushrooms so its easy for them to dismiss the possibility of getting a good story out of a console. I'm hoping that changes. Excellent post – really engaging topic for discussion. The first Metroid Prime (the only one of the series I played) was very effective in making the player feel isolated and vulnerable. It had a very haunting quality. Up until now (and one could definitely argue last generation of consoles) the technology would not allow for video games to be capable of portraying an engaging story on the same level of say a miniseries or feature film. We are now at a point where I believe that is fully possible. Mass Effect was an unbelievably good story that happened to have excellent gameplay. Eternal Darkness on the gamecube is another great example. Heavy Rain I think (and hope) will be a title that will break the mold of what can and will be expected of video games. The recent Uncharted 2 commercial where the guy talks about how his girlfriend thinks its a 10 hour move is another great example of how the perception of video games are changing. I think the biggest roadblock in acheiving widespread acceptance is the perception that video games are for kids. A lot of people still believe video games to consist of mario jumping over mushrooms so its easy for them to dismiss the possibility of getting a good story out of a console. I’m hoping that changes.

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